When I say “I’m looking for a way to make KDE 3.5.10 work on Slackware 13” or “I’m looking for applications to replace the ones I’ve gotten used to using in KDE, since I won’t be installing KDE going forward”, what does that mean to you?
I know what it means to me… it means I’m looking for some procedural help to accomplish a task, help from some other technically minded individuals who may offer some useful suggestions on how to make something work.
It means I’m looking for ideas for what kind of applications to try, since the open source universe is a big one, and while I try out and use and write about a lot of apps, there’s no way for me to be up on EVERYTHING.
To me, both of those things seem pretty clear and apparent. But based on what I keep seeing in response to things like that, I guess they somehow aren’t that clear.
So, to clarify, here’s what questions like that DO NOT mean.
They don’t mean you should respond with things like this. This is one example, but I’ve been seeing it constantly, any time something like this gets brought up, and not just in response to my questions, but ANY time someone brings up replacing KDE 4 with something else:
I feel you may be disillusioned due to some of the changes in KDE4, but they are easily corrected.
1) KDE4 actually uses LESS resources then kde3, (at least for me) just by switching of the fancy compositing
2) The old style KDE menu is available as a widget. Simply left click anywhere on the desktop, choose add widget and select the kde traditional app launcher menu
3) In appearance settings, choose dektop view, and KDE4 then looks like KDE3
4) Okular is a much better PDF reader anyway (imo at least) and is part of KDE4
5) Konqueror is still included in KDE4. While I do agree, it is not as good as previous versions, it still gets the job done, and will no doubt improve over time.
Change is a difficult thing to deal with, especially when it puts us outside our comfort zone and the things we have been used to. Give it a chance and you could be pleasantly surprised at just how good KDE4 is.
Asking for help to replace KDE 4 applications with alternatives does not IN ANY WAY mean “hey, why don’t you try to sell me on KDE 4 again, even though I clearly have already used it enough in various iterations to have come to the determination that it won’t meet my needs!” or “to whom it may concern: please gently chide me on being resistant to change because I obviously am scared because KDE 4 is different; it surely can’t be that I simply don’t like using it or don’t find it useful.”
When you come back with something like that to a very clear and precise question, you come off like an ass.
If I’m asking something like that, rest assured, I have used KDE 4. I have figured out some workarounds. I am aware that it is different. And no, I don’t fear change just because a window manager is “different”.
I use a LOT of different window managers, and I go out of my way to try lots and lots of new ways of doing things.
You never know. You might run across something that’s really, really good that you otherwise might never have discovered. How do I know this? BECAUSE I USE LINUX.
I’ve had my hands on a large, diverse array of different applications, user interface paradigms, operating systems, window managers, and programs.
And among them have been KDE 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, AND 4.3. And I can say without any kind of reservations that KDE 4 is not for me.
So when I bring up something like “Hey, I’m looking to replace KDE apps, since I won’t be using KDE anymore”, I’m NOT, for your information, interested in having a debate with you about why I don’t gush with love over your new favorite eye-candy window manager/desktop environment.
YOU can love it. I really don’t care. But criticizing me for why I don’t like KDE 4 or accusing me of rejecting it because it’s “different” like I’m a child is just insulting, frankly.
Did it ever occur to you that not everyone LIKES your favorite shiny? Did it ever occur to you that KDE 3.5.10 — which so many of you apparently and inexcplicably revile — might have been MY favorite window manager, and to see it replaced with this trash is just a little bit upsetting?
How that somehow equates to “change is hard” is complete bull. Change isn’t hard. I change window managers and desktop environments frequently. I have changed operating systems. I have changed how I do things computing and technology-wise so many times that I’m constantly discovering new things to tinker with.
My dislike of KDE 4 has absolutely nothing to do with “change” being “hard”. It has everything to do with it not meeting my needs.
And when I ask a question about moving on to something else, I’m frankly not interested in discussing why you think KDE 4 is so incredibly great, and how I’m so “stuck in the past” for not liking it. Grow the hell up. Stop acting like a child.
And if you don’t have something constructive to add to the discussion, keep your opinion on it to yourself. I’ve been seeing this everywhere, and while I’m willing to say something about it, I know there are a lot of others who are afraid to pipe in because every time the KDE 3.5 dilemma gets brought up — because KDE 4 is simply not an adequate replacement for them — they have to constantly defend their position like their opinion is somehow “wrong”.
So to the KDE 4 fanboys who keep doing this out there: seriously. Knock it off already. Go love your KDE 4 and let those of us who are seeking technical solutions to the mess the KDE developers have created for us figure them out. We don’t need your “help” if that’s all you have to offer.